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Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Looking For Miza

Why do you think that male silverbacks that take over a troop kill all of the other young/baby gorillas? What conclusions can we draw about the male gender (all animals, including humans) based upon this information?

63 comments:

Unknown said...

I think the male gorillas when they are the leaders of the troop, I think they kill other garillas,because, they think the other gorillas are going to kill them.

Afm Khan said...

I beg to differ Rohan because how can young gorillas defeat a male silverback that is a lot older than them. I think that the male gorillas kill the younger ones because they want to start a new generation.

Ammaaazing Asian said...

The male silverback kills all baby gorillas because they could grow to be strong and he would be old so he would be weak.In conclusion, male silverbacks are terrible about what they think and they want to be the leader forever.If they don't kill their children their children could be the next leader.

Afm Khan said...

Actually, Naniel, the male silverbacks do not kill their own children. They kill all the other children but keep their ones safe. I also concur with you Naniel because male silverbacks truly are horrible and they care about no one except themselves and their family.

The Whatever Girl said...

I believe male silverbacks kill all the other children or babies in a troop if/ when they take over one for many reasons. I think that the leader/ silverback doesn't know the child and has no affection for the young. Also, they must feel that the children don't know many things and won't help the troop any way whatsoever. The silverbacks might be able to sense the weakness of a child, and kills them all.I beg to differ with your argument Rohan because as a male silverback, no other gorilla would kill their own leader for he is the strongest, and the male would probably kill that gorilla. This makes me realize that people think of males as intimidating and scary, because they always try to have power over others. No offense to the boys in the class, of course, but I think that males, in general, might want power then the females, because of "customs". This may lead people to believe that males only believe in those who are strong and powerful, for they think that weak ones are useless. Even though they can be, anyone can learn what any male learns. Some people think males are born for war and fighting and other violence, however I believe it really depends who you truly are because there can be brave women in the world and scared males. It depends, as said before, on who you are and who you want to be. For example, no one is forcing any boys to fight in war. It's their choice. This is what I think about male silverback killing the young ones in their troop.

Ammaaazing Asian said...
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Ammaaazing Asian said...

I beg to differ with you Tazrean because one gorlla protected a child and the boy was safe.They trained that gorilla to take care of dolls to be ready for when she has a baby.

Unknown said...

I think that when male golliras are leaders of the troop, they kill other gorillas because maybe they just want to show off so golliras that saw him win will think he is srong.

-Shaqib Alam 5-509 10/9/12 ( its my birthday!!!)

Afm Khan said...

I also think that silverback gorillas kill the young because they think that the gorilla might slow them down and that if another animal kills them, they will live with the guilt of their death for the rest of their life. I concur with you Shaqib because the gorillas might want to prove that they are better than the other gorillas.

Unknown said...

I think that when male mountain gorillas become leader of the troop, they kill the other children besides their own children because maybe male silver backs think that the other children will have fights with their children. I think this because every parent wants their children to be safe so that the other children don't end up fighting with them. I also think that when male mountain gorillas become leader of the troop, they kill other babies besides their own children because maybe as Afm said they want to start a new generation. From my own prior knowledge I know that when I start something new, I throw everything away and start afresh. An parent always want their child to succeed, so maybe the male silver back kills the other children so that their own child could become the next leader when the father passes away. - L.R

Alvy6132 said...

I think that male gorillas kill other babies and not their own because the other babies may be a threat to them and their babies. I think that the male gender is horrible (no offense) because they might kill their friends baby just because the lead troop is scared that their friend's child might one day be the lead troop. In conclusion, the lead troop is scared that other children other than his own might take over being the lead troop leader.

The Whatever Girl said...

Naneil, I mean the gorillas in the book. Not all gorillas are trained, Naneil. I concur with you Shaqib because gorillas and humans can do that to show off, or they're really sick. I beg to differ with your argument Afm because killing children will NOT start a new generation. The children won't grow to reproduce, and so on. Alvy, I think you are right also that the male wouldn't want the children to get powerful like Naneil said, but male silverbacks are really brave and wouldn't be scared of a little child.

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Afsana Akter said...

I concur with most of you because I think they kill the young because they want their children to be the next troop leaders.( Tazrean, I think shes saying that when the silverbacks get ... old, and a young gorilla is strong, they dont want that gorilla to be leader ) I also think that they kill the young because they probably want a smaller troop to lead. In Looking for Miza, it says that the silverback has to look over almost 30 gorillas, and those are just the family members. Also, I think that they dont want anyone stronger then them to ' over throw ' them. They probably know that they wouldn't win a battle against a strong gorilla. Since their brain works 98% they must know how much many gorillas would just love to be the leader. We could draw that boys usually love power, and NEVER want to be ' over thrown ' or anyone to be better then them (no offense boys but you know its true) and that usually boys get all the power, and expect more. I just dont get why they kill the female kids, but they do ... Although its cruel that gorillas kill their young in troops except their own, they have their own way of raising children, and have their own traditions, and we have ours, and we should respect it the way it is ( Even though killing the young in the families makes the gorillas even more and more extinct) .
~ Efat

Unknown said...

I think that silverback gorillas kill all children because they do not want a coup de tat and want power passed down in their family. This may lead people to believe that mountain gorillas are power hungry but I disagree because remember we are like that. Think about USA, we fight for the presidential job. In England they have kings and queens. Power goes through a family not to regular people.

F.A.N said...

I concur with you shayan. Maybe they want one of there family memebers to be the alpha. It is like starting a new generation.
FAHIM :D

Mr. Alper said...

Think about what is being stated by the person prior to you. The silverbacks DO NOT kill their own children just those that are not theirs. You make a valid point Afm about them wanted to start a new generation.

Anonymous said...

I think that male silverbacks kill young so they could start a new generation. They only want power. But if you think positively they might want to avoid coup de tat and want only the royal family power. For example england was like this. But they didnt kill kids.

Unknown said...

I tkink the male silverbacks kill all the young becuase when the gorilla becomes leader of the troop he does not want any of the young gorillas trying to take over his great position.If the young gorilla grows up to be a silverback while the new leader is just starting his new job there will might be sort of a rebellion between the silverbacks.So if the leaders kill all the young there will be no young for a while so the gorilla can proceed his position as leader for a period of time
~Amoni

Unknown said...

I concour with you Kazi becuase I think the male silverbacks kill all the young becuase when the gorilla becomes leader of the troop he does not want any of the young gorillas trying to take over his great position.If the young gorilla grows up to be a silverback while the new leader is just starting his new job there will might be sort of a rebellion between the silverbacks.So if the leaders kill all the young there will be no young for a while so the gorilla can proceed his position as leader for a period of time
~Amoni

Unknown said...

I concour with you Kazi actully becuase I also think that the silverbacks want to prevent coup' de tat with other silverbacks

Unknown said...

I alsothink the silverbacks don't kill their own child(ren)because they care for them and their child(ren)won't take there father's position as troop leader.

Unknown said...

i think that the silver back kill the young because they think that maybe the old leader didnt train them correctly

Mr. Alper said...

Many of you are focussing on the idea of the silverbacks killing the young that are not theirs if they take over for another silverback, however you are not addressing the larger issue of what does this say about the male gender, especially in the wild.

Tazrean you are onto something but continue to develop your thoughts including the concept of whether it is a learned or a inherited trait.

Mr. Alper said...

Efat I like the premise of your ideas and where they are going but make sure to focus on the other idea about what this says.

To EVERYONE I ask you to also think if all males of any species are this way what does it say about us and our society?

Unknown said...
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Unknown said...

If all males of any species are this way, our society might be different from what it is today because then we might have more violence since one family wants to protect another and stuff. If this was true I think that maybe this world won't be peaceful as it was before because things could get out of hand since mostly girls like to be neat and take care of everything. I'm not saying this because of my gender, but I think that it will be much better if women are the leaders of every species, because they mostly do all the work of taking care of the babies and looking for food. If you look at it in the penguin style, the father isn't very close to the child. This makes me thik that even though some people may think that it would be much better to have the male become the leader, I'd rather pick the female because they hae more responsibility. - L.R

Unknown said...

I beg to differ with your argument Daniela because why would passing on the generation affect the way the leader's child of becoming a leader. I think that mountain gorillas kill the other children (besides their own children) because as Amoni said, he doesn't want the other males, females or the other children to take his place besides his own male children. - L.R

Anonymous said...

I beg to differ to taezren because Gorrlias dont sense weakneses. AS I said before the main reason they kill is for power. Naneil I also beg to differ with you because the silverback wont want to show of their power since they already have alot and every one knows.

Anonymous said...

If all males were like that the world will be a disaster. Kings presidents and prime ministers would have too much negative power. There would also be a lot of violence.This may lead people to believe they way gorrilas do things wont fit with humans.

F.A.N said...

I concur with you KAzi because the silverbacks are the ALPHA everyone else nos they have power.

F.A.N said...

i beg to differ kazi with your latest statement because it would not mean the government would have less power. THe gorrila wouldnt start wars

Anonymous said...

THats not what I mean fahim. Like the silverback the presidents would have too much power if they kill everyone.And no gorrilas wont start wars but if humans take the way gorrilas do there will be wars.

Unknown said...

I think the gorrila kill the young because they want their family to only be the leader, for example when one leader dies, their children inheiret the throne and when the new leaders die, THEIR children take place and so on and so forth.
Lamiya, I actually agree with Daniela because if the old leader teches the new leader incorrectly the whole troop is affected.
Kayla

Unknown said...

The conclusion I could draw about this is that males like to have their family in power. Also I think SOME boys tend to have violent minds when it comes to having power. No offence! Please dont take this personnaly! kayla.

Anonymous said...

I think that the male silverbacks kill the young gorillas because they are afraid that when the gorillas row up, they will challenge them for the place of the leader and since the young would be younger than them, the young would probably defeat them. Also I think that in the wild they are seen as the leaders so whatever they want done will get done.

Unknown said...

I also think that silverbacks kill other gorillas because they dont really need each other to survive. They only need their familly, and everybody else is kinda just taking up their space. Without them, the winner familly (the familly tthat won the fight) will get more space to live, walk, play, and hunt.

Anonymous said...

Afm, I beg to differ with you(on your first post) because if they kill them, it's probably because they don't want to continue a new generation, because then they would let them live.

Afm Khan said...

Actually, Michelle, I said that the gorillas might want to START a new generation, not continue the old one. I beg to differ with you Daniela because the old alpha male/ leader if troop probably did train the young ones properly because it is their job to lead the whole group.

Unknown said...

Lamiya I beg to differ, because girls or women are too sensitive, and boys or male are really strong. So if women take over the leadership, it will ,mess the whole group. But, it would be better if the gorillas dont fight each other, and then we would have more mountain gorillas then we have now, and now that I thik about it, the mountain gorillas are the ones that are decreasing the population of the mountain gorillas but they are doing it for SAFETY.

Unknown said...

I beg to differ with you Rohan because girls could be as strong as boys.I also concur with you because since the mountain gorillas are decreaing thw way they live. -L.R.

Unknown said...

I think that maybe male silverbacks decide to kill all the young generations of kids because they feel like maybe they only want thier kids to be leading the next generation, and if their kids do become the leader, they would do the same. This makes me think that maybe some men feel they are more powerful than others, which make only their little gorillas to live.

Anonymous said...

When a male silverback takes over a troop, he kills all the young gorillas because he wants to feel power and he feels that he is strong, because he is the alpha male. Likewise, in most animals, and humans too, the male is always dominant and strong, and is always the alpha in both animalias and homosapiens. However, the silverback does not hurt his own children, becuase he wants his generation to continue.

Unknown said...

I concur with you sithi because everyone in this world would always want their child to be the next leader in the next generation. I also think that the male silver backs kill the other babies when they become leader of the troop because maybe they want their child to be safe. -L. R

The Whatever Girl said...

I think that killing young and taking over troops of silverback is a learned trait, because the young males could see what a silverback is doing and copy, because that's very common. It couldn't be an inherited trait because male silverbacks aren't born fierce and as a leader. If all males are like this way, I personally think the world will completely change because if males go killing all the babies and children in our world, there would be no new generation to start or humans to reproduce. So, if all the boys in our class and school all of a sudden started killing the kindergartenars or pre- k kids(this is an example), what do you think would happen? Trouble. If males were this way, it would say that our society is a coward to not take a stand. The same could be said for ourselves, and that we're careless to let cannibal- like males to go around and kill children.

F.A.N said...

i beg to differ!!!!! Kayla because men or woman whoever would have power no matter the gender what use power too much its not just males its anybody.
My Replyiation

The Whatever Girl said...

Fahim, you're right but no offense, but sometimes boys tend to have power more often than girls. Not meaning that they're power hungry, but it just happens that way.

F.A.N said...

wheres your PROOF tazrean

Unknown said...

I also want to add that silverbacks are only males because if it was female golliras, a lot of golliras would have had probably died. Even in humans, in wars men fight, not women. In addition to that, most shooting games have men. Even wrestling and fighting. Men are stronger used to protect even with goliras.

Unknown said...

To add on what you said Tazrean (on your first comment)male siverbacks maybe could be greedy because as you said they tend to fight more and maybe they want to show others that they are strong.

The Whatever Girl said...

Fahim, my proof is basically the entire world. I don't know who's power hungry and who's not, but I do know that there are a lot of men in our government and men have more power these days. That doesn't mean women can't, though.

Unknown said...

Sithi, I SAID THAT! Kayla

Unknown said...

Shaqib, women fight in wars too!... I THINK. KAYLA

Unknown said...

Kayla, anyone can have the same thoughts as you, and if they do you weren't the first ones to figure that out. I also concure with you Sihti because they don't want anyone else ecoming leader besides their own children.

Unknown said...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm... ok! :)

Unknown said...

I think that male silverbacks kill the other children when they become leader is because maybe the silverbacks want to start their whole life afresh, so that they don't have to deal with the things the other silverback left behind when he died.- L.R

Unknown said...

i think the male silverbacks are the leaders so they think its okay to kill the young so no one can take their place as leaders

Unknown said...

the male silverbacks are the leaders so they think its okay to kill young so no one can take its place as leader

Unknown said...

In my opinion, I think male silverbacks kill the young because they only care about their family, and although gorillas are gorillas to most people they might have feelings and want to start a new generation. I also concur with you Afm when you said that it might slow the new gorilla down, however I disagree with you when you said that it is horrible that gorillas kill the young that don't belong to them because even though it is unfortunate that a generation of gorillas have to die, we can't stop it nor control it .Also we don't know what goes through silverback gorillas' mind. Maybe they think the old generation is a threat to them or the family and that is why they kill ... Now even though young gorillas can't fight off big male gorillas we don't know what fight or attack they have planned or what strength certain gorillas have can be. My final interpretation is that even though it is horrendous what is happening to the old generation of gorillas, gorillas do it for many reasons and maybe gorillas HAVE to kill maybe it isn't a choice for them... Maybe not all silverbacks are that bad as stated in books and articles.

Unknown said...

I beg to differ with you Afm and Rohan on your first comments because Rohan no one can defeat the king. I chess, it's a whole different stories because in every family's generation, their are other kings who are the troop of their own family. I also beg to differ with you Afm because their children and the other babies can be the same age as both of them or even younger if the other male silver back did not become leader of the family's troop. ~l.r

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Unknown said...

I think that the male silver backs are selfish and rapacious because they kill the other children besides their own. I know that every parent wants their child to succeed so this makes me think that the male silver back only wants THEIR child to become the next leader if they die.